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Traveller-digest    Thursday, December 23 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1570<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: England<BR>
Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
Re: Why use .jpg?<BR>
Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
Gunnery, Man or Machine?<BR>
Re: OT: FW: moderator: America, as seen by a Canadian<BR>
Re: Gone for the holidays, and 1yr anniversary<BR>
Re: England<BR>
Re: In Jokes<BR>
Re: 3I Sports<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Terran polities<BR>
Re: Hiding education <BR>
Re: Aslan (no longer Re: England)<BR>
Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
Re: Gunnery, Man or Machine?<BR>
Re: Why use .jpg?<BR>
Re: Geographical idiocy (<BR>
advertising jingles<BR>
Re: England<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Gunnery<BR>
Re: advertising jingles<BR>
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy...<BR>
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy ..<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:45:29 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
On 12/23/99 at 08:57 AM,  shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) said:<BR>
<BR>
>In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>> ...and if you're really cheap, you can go looking for...<BR>
>><BR>
>> 1. an old DOS program called TheDraw.  It draws in ASCII.  I<BR>
>> wouldn't want to do deckplans that way, but I have done simple floorplans<BR>
<BR>
>I have TheDraw. I also have AcidDraw which is actually still supported.<BR>
>Both are intended for constructing "screens" for BBSes, though they'd<BR>
>likely work ok for the "text only" elements of web pages.<BR>
<BR>
Yes, TheDraw certainly does, and that's where I first ran into TheDraw,<BR>
for screens on my BBS. <g> I haven't seen AcidDraw.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:39:53 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: England<BR>
<BR>
>ISTR the Dresden Firestorm killed more people in a night than both the<BR>
>nuclear attacks on Japan combined.<BR>
><BR>
>NB<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
The Tokyo Firebombings killed more than the nukes I think. Pretty easy to<BR>
drop incendiaries on wooden buildings really muck things up.<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:59:23 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
"Jason T. Barnabas" wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> SFC Groth <wombat@premier.net> wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > In mail you write:<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > > I have been known to.  Very often if they do get them,<BR>
> > > > they serve as important clues.  I have had groups chase<BR>
> > > > after the elusive Crimson Clupeidae or the Scarlet<BR>
> > > > AleWife for months, even years (of game time).<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Did they have to chop down any trees with either of those?<BR>
> <BR>
> How do you chop down trees with someone else's starship?<BR>
> <BR>
> Oh, I didn't make it clear that those are names of starships,<BR>
> did I.  Sorry.  They both were.<BR>
> <BR>
> Has anyone figured out what significance such a ship<BR>
> would have?<BR>
<BR>
Obviously I caught it.  If you recall your Monty Python and the Holy<BR>
Grail, you'll understand my question....<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:57:59 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Why use .jpg?<BR>
<BR>
At 06:40 pm 12/23/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>smallest and delete the other one.  The disadvantage to<BR>
>.gif is that it is limited to 256 colors max, but for most<BR>
>things 256 colors is plenty.  For simple deck plans, 2<BR>
<BR>
	.PNG (portable network graphics) is the replacement for .GIF--it's a<BR>
non-lossy compressed image format, which allows full-color (24-bit)<BR>
images. 'Course, older browsers won't display it ...<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:00:43 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
>> > > I have been known to.  Very often if they do get them,<BR>
>> > > they serve as important clues.  I have had groups chase<BR>
>> > > after the elusive Crimson Clupeidae or the Scarlet<BR>
>> > > AleWife for months, even years (of game time).<BR>
>><BR>
>> Did they have to chop down any trees with either of those?<BR>
><BR>
>How do you chop down trees with someone else's starship?<BR>
><BR>
>Oh, I didn't make it clear that those are names of starships,<BR>
>did I.  Sorry.  They both were.<BR>
><BR>
>Has anyone figured out what significance such a ship<BR>
>would have?<BR>
><snip><BR>
>--<BR>
>Jason<BR>
<BR>
    Ahhh, the famous "Red Herring" class. Built at Snark enterprises using<BR>
the best Maguffin drives. I especially like the "Goose Pursuit" model.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:03:02 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Gunnery, Man or Machine?<BR>
<BR>
The example was given of Han and Luke in SW manually<BR>
firing... it may be wondered why (apart from dramatic<BR>
reasons) a technology that can produce artificial<BR>
intelligence like C3-PO can't make a gunnery computer<BR>
that fires straight. Well, according to SW canon, they<BR>
can, they just don't trust their machines with their<BR>
lives. Especially after an incident where an entire<BR>
automated fleet disappeared and never came back...<BR>
They just don't trust their machines with their<BR>
lives... Thus, Gunnery Skill lives on.<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:16:11 -0500<BR>
From: Steve Noe <fusilier@mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: OT: FW: moderator: America, as seen by a Canadian<BR>
<BR>
"Walter G. Smith" wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> I got this from my brother, and it seemed interesting considering the<BR>
> current War of 1812 OT-isness.<BR>
[snip] <BR>
> This was posted to the '49 list by John Maurer '49.<BR>
> <BR>
> Joe Gilbreth '49<BR>
> ---------------------------------<BR>
> <BR>
> AMERICA<BR>
> <BR>
> This comes from a Canadian newspaper about America.  A remarkable<BR>
> editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian<BR>
> television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant<BR>
> remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:<BR>
> <BR>
[snip]<BR>
<BR>
Ummn...this was broadcast during 1970-71, when Gordon Sinclair was with<BR>
CKLW in Windsor, Ontario - you know, the city that's _south_ of Detroit.<BR>
<BR>
Steve Noe, in Indianapolis, who didn't attend Woodstock, 'cause the<BR>
music was better at the Ann Arbor Blues Festival, and so was the weather.<BR>
fusilier@mindspring.com<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 02:52:58 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Gone for the holidays, and 1yr anniversary<BR>
<BR>
>Take one 25 lb bag charcoal.<BR>
>Soak with a couple liters LOX.<BR>
>Drop match on it from a _distance_.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
NOOOOOOOO!!! This is a Very Bad Plan.<BR>
<BR>
Take the charcoal, place a lighted cigarette/taper/whatever on top of it,<BR>
then pour on the LOX from a remotely-triggered container.<BR>
<BR>
If you pre-soak the briquettes with LOX, they explode. One charcoal<BR>
briquette soaked in LOX has explosive power roughly equivalent to a stick of<BR>
dynamite.<BR>
<BR>
Don't try this at home, kids. I prefer you with all your arms and legs.<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 02:59:34 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: England<BR>
<BR>
>Doesn't what uniforms the bodies are wearing, what matters is whose flag<BR>
>gets planted on top of the heap.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Is that really the important thing?<BR>
<BR>
(I'm not saying you're wrong, certainly not in a Realpolitik sense.)<BR>
<BR>
NB<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 03:08:03 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: In Jokes<BR>
<BR>
>>ObObTrav: Does anyone else pepper their Traveller universes with all<BR>
manner<BR>
>>of in-jokes that nobody will ever get?<BR>
><BR>
>    In my PbEM all my friends get cameos as NPCs, some of the guys get it<BR>
>but a lot of the players think that the characters are too wierd to be good<BR>
>NPCs.<BR>
>    Jim.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
The entire NPC crew of the RSS Alexander E. Campbell is made up of people I<BR>
know. (In fact, the only one with a name change was the captain, and he had<BR>
his surname (Taylor) moved to forename, and his mother's maiden name (Bowes)<BR>
as his surname. It just sounded cooler that way.)<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 16:18:06 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: 3I Sports<BR>
<BR>
> On 12/23/99 at 07:38 AM,  cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com> said:<BR>
><BR>
> >Sounds a lot like Rollerball, alright, but Rollerball itself was based on<BR>
> >a short story called "Rollerball Murder", by William Harroson, first<BR>
> >published in 1973;  Harrison also wrote the movie screenplay. As for<BR>
> >cyberpunk, many point to John Brunner's "The Shockwave Rider" as the<BR>
> >first cypberpunk book; like "Killerbowl", it was published in 1975, so<BR>
> >which came first is a toss-up. :)<BR>
><BR>
> Really?  "Shockwave Rider" as cyberpunk?  Hum....  I wouldn't have made<BR>
> that connection, but I can see it.<BR>
<BR>
Yeah, although it's not really "punk" and is a little too optimisitic,<BR>
'Shockwave Rider' certainly feels like cyberpunk because of the way the<BR>
computers are used.<BR>
<BR>
The fun thing about 'Shockwave Rider' is that Brunner predicted computer<BR>
viruses, before they actually existed (though it may have been close, when<BR>
was the Internet Worm released ?), he just got the _name_ wrong, calling<BR>
them "phages", which I believe may be a much more biologically accurate<BR>
description.<BR>
<BR>
It would certainly be what I'd call "proto-cyberpunk"<BR>
<BR>
There's a book out there called "The Tommorrow File" whose author I can<BR>
never remember,  which also has that sort of feel to it.<BR>
<BR>
Combined with other things comming out of Englansd at the time, such as the<BR>
TV series "The Guardians",  and that one that starred Edward Woodward(not<BR>
'Callan', though that was a good series in it''s own right), and "The<BR>
Analyst" starring Hwyll WhatsHisFace, I'd say that the English "cyberpunk"<BR>
movement kicked off before the US one, much like punk itself.<BR>
<BR>
Damn, now you've got me free associating old UK TV Shows now, anyone<BR>
remember "Heart of Darkness"  ? And the "sequel" about BSE, which came out<BR>
before the big BSE scare ?<BR>
<BR>
And "Survivors"....<BR>
<BR>
> You know, I don't think "Jagged Orbit", "Stand on Zanzibar" and "Shockwave<BR>
> Rider" have ever gotten the credit they deserved.<BR>
<BR>
I'd put "The Sheep Look Up" over "Jagged Orbit" myself, but they are all<BR>
amazing.<BR>
<BR>
Possibly I like it because of the last few lines :<BR>
<BR>
Opening the door to the visiting doctor, all set to apologize for the flour<BR>
on her hands - she had been baking - Mrs. Byrne sniffed. Smoke! And if she<BR>
could smell it with her heavy head cold, it must be a tremendous fire!<BR>
<BR>
"We ought to call the brigade!" she exclaimed. "Is it a hayrick?"<BR>
<BR>
"The brigade would have a long way to go" the doctor told her curtly. "It's<BR>
from America. The wind's blowing that way."<BR>
<BR>
> I thought Brunner was a  genius.<BR>
<BR>
I agree completely. Even his knock-off potboilers such as "The Stone That<BR>
Never Came Down" and things he wouldn't even put his name to, such as "Into<BR>
the Slave Nebula" have a certain touch of class that very few other authors<BR>
manage.<BR>
<BR>
"Slave Nebula" would make a great Trav story too, though the plot may be too<BR>
obvious for roleplayers.<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:14:19 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
On 12/23/99 at 02:51 PM,  "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net> said:<BR>
<BR>
>AAAHHHH! It's time for yet another Topic That Shall Not Die ...<BR>
>"exchangeable" graphics formats!<BR>
<BR>
>Nevertheless, I'll throw my two cents in (actually, three or more):<BR>
<BR>
>- JPG is the worst possible format for anything but full-range<BR>
>photographs. Line drawings, especially, need to be saved in a non-lossy<BR>
>format. (Technical details: JPG converts blocks of pixels from the<BR>
>spatial (x,y, RGB) domain into the frequency domain (i.e. a series of<BR>
>cosine functions that approximate the RGB value at each original x,y),<BR>
>and then throws away higher frequency values. Hence, fine details get<BR>
>lost or blurred across multiple pixels).<BR>
<BR>
JPG for photos and very little else...right?<BR>
<BR>
>- There *is* no standard vector format. Most modern programs can read<BR>
>DXF, CGM, WMF and PS with varying levels of fidelity, depending on<BR>
>platform.<BR>
<BR>
This is a real problem, in my experience.  It appears that CAD programs<BR>
tend toward DXF, drawing programs tend toward CGM, and Microsoft pushes<BR>
WMF.  I've run into situations werer I had to save in DXF in one program<BR>
load into another save it there as an EPS, then load into a third program<BR>
where I worked on it saving it there as a CGM.<BR>
<BR>
>- My choice: I want three copies of *everything*: the artist's original<BR>
>format whatever it is (preserve maximum fidelity, and hope I can read<BR>
>it), WMF or DXF (for a close vector approximation that allows me to<BR>
>effectively scale and edit it), and .PNG or .GIF as the "most portable<BR>
>least editable."<BR>
<BR>
At least three!  <g> I know they eat up space, but a BMP copy is good to<BR>
have around too.  I have to send some of my drawings through a BMP step to<BR>
get them from CGM to GIF.<BR>
<BR>
Jim, if you can get your drawings into Paint, save them as GIF's, they<BR>
will look better.  And, yes, I know the legal downside of the GIF format.<BR>
I'd be using PNG if I could.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:17:02 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Terran polities<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
<BR>
> Morgan is a fairly common last name.<BR>
<BR>
I've just assumed you were a descendant of the famous<BR>
pirates Henry and J.P. Morgan.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:20:15 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education <BR>
<BR>
>From: "Douglas E. Berry"<BR>
<gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
<BR>
>Well, Saturday morning cartoons don't really exist as<BR>
<BR>
>they did in the Good Old Days...  Get up at 0700 with<BR>
<BR>
>a bowl of Frosted Flakes and remain tied to the tube <BR>
>until noon.<BR>
<BR>
"Three bowls of Double-Frosted Chocolate Bombs and<BR>
I'll be hyperactive and incoherent all day!"<BR>
<BR>
- --Calvin, to Hobbes, in front of the tv on a Saturday<BR>
morning<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 03:16:29 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Aslan (no longer Re: England)<BR>
<BR>
>Clear something up for me, please.  The Aslan male has a territorial<BR>
>imperitive...they need land.  Okay, but how *much* land to they really<BR>
>need?  Would a 40 acre wood be enough, or do they need a tract the size of<BR>
>Rhode Island?  Would ownership of an entire moon, a tract of land on a<BR>
>vacuum world, or a 100 sq km space habitat be acceptable?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
It's a question of status. An aslan male's status (and the status of his<BR>
family) is directly connected to the amount of land he controls. The ihatei<BR>
owning a 40 acre wood would spend his whole life planning to get more. The<BR>
owner of Rhode Island may or may not be happy. And most male aslan would<BR>
probably do *anything* to own an entire planetoid.<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 03:18:01 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
>Obviously I caught it.  If you recall your Monty Python and the Holy<BR>
>Grail, you'll understand my question....<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
"We demand that you chop down the mightiest tree in the forrest with<BR>
a........herring!"<BR>
                  -The knights who say<BR>
'ecky-echy-echy-hu-tang-wop-fwee-dom-ni', MP&THG<BR>
NB<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 03:20:03 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Gunnery, Man or Machine?<BR>
<BR>
>lives. Especially after an incident where an entire<BR>
>automated fleet disappeared and never came back...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Didn't the Katana's just suddenly decide that they liked independance better<BR>
than the Empire? (It's been a while since I read SW background-type<BR>
stuff...)<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:23:43 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Merrick Burkhardt <merrick@shell.rt66.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Why use .jpg?<BR>
<BR>
Jason is exactly right.<BR>
<BR>
Continuous tone images (ie: photographs) should be jpegs. Line art<BR>
should be gif. In fact, for something like a deckplan it will just<BR>
about always look better in GIF unless you use minimum compression <BR>
on your jpeg.<BR>
<BR>
3d rendered images can go both ways depending on how complext they<BR>
are (as they get more photo-real, they need jpeging). There are a <BR>
few sites online that will also optimize your gifs for you to minimize<BR>
file size--they are really cool:<BR>
<BR>
http://www.gifwizard.com/<BR>
<BR>
that's the only one I have offhand... try it, it's cool!<BR>
<BR>
- -Merrick<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:22:10 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: Geographical idiocy (<BR>
<BR>
On 12/23/99 at 01:04 PM,  Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu><BR>
said:<BR>
<BR>
>Thomas Vickers wrote:<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Its tough to teach kids geography, they hate it. I only have to teach Texas<BR>
>> geography in my job, but it still takes for too long for them to get it.<BR>
>> After nine months of Texas history, most of them can't figure out where<BR>
>> Houston is and we only live about 30 miles away.<BR>
<BR>
>Yeah, but Texas has 3,234 little counties all over the place (anyone ever<BR>
>_seen_ a county map of Texas? ;-) Jeez, the county sherf probably leaves<BR>
>his jurisdiction backing out of his driveway! <BR>
<BR>
Tom, doesn't have to teach them *all* the counties!  But his<BR>
students *should* be able to look at a map of their state and pick out two<BR>
or three of the largest cities, the state capital and where they live. <BR>
They should also know the names of their local legislators (state and<BR>
federal), Governor, and President.  They should know what the six flags<BR>
over Texas are, and why they are important. And...<g>...I better stop now.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>guess I was a nerd even in grade school (well, duh!) I liked geography:<BR>
>we always got neat little blank maps to draw on, which started a long,<BR>
>and ongoing fascination with things cartographic...<BR>
<BR>
Yeah, I was the same way.  Thing is, though, *all* the students in grade<BR>
school back in the dark ages when I was that young had to do those maps,<BR>
and recite the states and capitals, and the Presidents, and...no we didn't<BR>
have to do it in latin. <g><BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:26:40 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: advertising jingles<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Douglas E. Berry"<BR>
<gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
>Subject: Re: Hiding education <BR>
>>Does the Silly Era page have any advertising <BR>
>>jingles? <BR>
>Not *yet* <BR>
>That is a challenge folks.. let's hear some<BR>
>advertising jingles for Famile Spofulam or General <BR>
>Products.<BR>
<BR>
Gen'ral Products, Gen'ral Products,<BR>
Gen'ral all the way<BR>
Oh what fun it is to buy<BR>
General Products all day!<BR>
<BR>
why am I doing this?  I'm probably the least<BR>
musically-inclined member of the list.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:28:59 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: England<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
<BR>
>ISTR the Dresden Firestorm killed more people in a <BR>
>night than both the nuclear attacks on Japan<BR>
combined.<BR>
<BR>
I think that is true of the fire bombing of Tokyo as<BR>
well.  <BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:30:22 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
At 09:14 pm 12/23/99 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
>On 12/23/99 at 02:51 PM,  "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
said:<BR>
>JPG for photos and very little else...right?<BR>
<BR>
	Basically ... it's for full-range images where slight variations<BR>
from pixel to pixel can be reduced without significant overall loss<BR>
of visual quality.<BR>
<BR>
>At least three!  <g> I know they eat up space, but a BMP copy is<BR>
good to<BR>
>have around too.  I have to send some of my drawings through a BMP<BR>
step to<BR>
>get them from CGM to GIF.<BR>
<BR>
	But once you've got PNG or GIF, you can create any other<BR>
pixel-oriented format without loss of information. Assuming, of<BR>
course, you have a conversion program. And it'd be a very poor<BR>
program that couldn't handle a conversion from PNG or GIF to BMP ...<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:32:56 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Gunnery<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
<BR>
>IIRC, The T4 Naval Architect's handbook I never <BR>
>undertood that one. To quote:<BR>
>"...and the workstation turns and banks along with <BR>
>the weapon."<BR>
>Now, maybe it's me, but I had this crazy idea the <BR>
>spinal mount was so called because it was about two <BR>
>hundred metres long and embedded firmly into the<BR>
>spine of the ship. And if the ship turns, the weapon <BR>
>stations turns with it. Can anyone throw in a <BR>
>plausible explanation<BR>
<BR>
That's my understanding, too.  <BR>
<BR>
Well, if the ship turns and the weapon turns with it,<BR>
then the weapon workstation turns with the weapon and<BR>
the ship.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:38:15 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: advertising jingles<BR>
<BR>
Glenn Goffin wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >From: "Douglas E. Berry"<BR>
<BR>
<<snip>><BR>
<BR>
> >That is a challenge folks.. let's hear some<BR>
> >advertising jingles for Famile Spofulam or General<BR>
> >Products.<BR>
> <BR>
> Gen'ral Products, Gen'ral Products,<BR>
> Gen'ral all the way<BR>
> Oh what fun it is to buy<BR>
> General Products all day!<BR>
> <BR>
> why am I doing this?  I'm probably the least<BR>
> musically-inclined member of the list.<BR>
<BR>
Which makes you eminently suited to write advertising jingles....<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:49:37 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy...<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Mark Urbin <eclipse@ultranet.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 11:59 PM<BR>
Subject: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> My kids learned the Animanics song listing the states & capitals.<BR>
> This was not their only source of education though.  :-)<BR>
> One is going to school at the serious place of higher learning down the<BR>
road<BR>
> from where Kenji is hanging out.<BR>
<BR>
"Yakko's America?"  My kids know that song off by heart too!!!<BR>
"Cheyenne is in Wyomin' and perhaps you make your home in,<BR>
Salt Lake City out in Utah, where the buffalo roam;<BR>
Atlanta's down in Georgia; and there's Bismark North Dakota;<BR>
and you can live in Frankfurt in your old Kentucky home..."<BR>
<BR>
Not all that handy to 4x Aussie kids???  But they also know "Yakko's World"<BR>
with all the countries listed, much handier :^)<BR>
<BR>
I personally like "The Ballad of Magellan"<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
     "Whoopie ti-yi-yo<BR>
     Strong brave Magellan<BR>
     You'll find the East Indies<BR>
     You Just don't know where..."<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:51:40 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy ..<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: Trevor, Peter <Peter.Trevor@rb.cwplc.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 1:01 AM<BR>
Subject: RE: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Mark Urbin wrote:<BR>
> > My kids learned the Animanics song listing the states & capitals.<BR>
> > This was not their only source of education though.  :-)<BR>
> <BR>
> "Its off to the movies, we will go<BR>
> To learn everything that we know...<BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
You can get it on CD too! ;^)<BR>
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